I’ve been helping with the Center for Media and Democracy’s Real Economy Project on the Financial Crisis tally of bailout dollars spread across various programs. Here is one product of our labor that might be useful to you if you have a website. Dean Baker of CEPR helped to verify the numbers. It was a big project and I only helped break the tip of it. Learn more about the programs, it was interesting to see what could be found out about the cost of certain programs and what could not be found out….

Total Wall Street Bailout Cost

Today, the Real Economy Project of the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) released an assessment of the total cost to taxpayers of the Wall Street bailout. CMD concludes that multiple federal agencies have disbursed $4.6 trillion dollars in supporting the financial sector since the meltdown in 2007-2008. Of that, $2 trillion is still outstanding. Our tally shows that the Federal Reserve is the real source of the bailout funds.

CMD’s assessment demonstrates that while the press has focused its attention on the $700 billion TARP bill passed by Congress, the Federal Reserve has provided by far the bulk of the funding for the bailout in the form of loans amounting to $3.8 trillion. Little information has been disclosed about what collateral taxpayers have received in return for these loans, sparking the Bloomberg News lawsuit covered earlier. CMD also concludes that the bailout is far from over as the government has active programs authorized to cost up to $2.9 trillion and still has $2 trillion in outstanding investments and loans.

Learn more about the 35 programs included in the CMD tally by visiting our Total Wall Street Bailout Cost Table, which contains links to pages on each bailout program with details including the current balance sheet for each program.

 

A bill to start the prosecutions

New bill for criminal investigation into crimes of the financial crisis. Thank you Marcy Kaptur. If you remember she also was featured in Michael Moore’s “Capitalism: A Love Story” reminding us how much peer pressure and fear mongering there was to give money to the banks to keep them afloat. I remember that too, you probably do. We were being held for ransom. We’re sending out press releases on this… Here’s Mary Bottari from Bankster on this:

Bernie Madoff is lonely. Eighteen months after the collapse of the financial system, not one Wall Street Titan has joined the Ponzi King in the federal pen.

For a moment there, he thought maybe Countrywide’s Angelo Mozilo might join him, but alas the SEC decided to give him – the slap. Then those Bear Stearn guys were taken to court over those crazy emails that seemed to indicate they knew the funds they were peddling were chock full of toxic swill, but the Feds screwed that one up too. Then Bank of America’s Ken Lewis came under fire from the New York Attorney General for not telling his shareholders the truth about that merger with Merrill Lynch. Since the AG has launched a civil and not a criminal case, Lewis too may face – the slap. Now a bankruptcy examiner has revealed that Dick Fuld and team were busily cooking the books over at Lehman Brothers before its collapse, but the FBI apparently didn’t read these news stories. It can’t be stirred enough to even issue subpoenas.

Poor Bernie. Apparently no one at the Department of Justice or the FBI really cares about the greatest white-collar crime wave in the history of the world – even if it did rob average American of some $14 trillion dollars in lost wages, savings, and housing wealth. After eighteen months, it is difficult to point to one CEO from a major Wall Street bank, hedge fund, or fraudulent mortgage company who is behind bars.

But wait. Someone does care. Marcy Kaptur, the Ohio Congresswoman who represents Toledo, one of the hardest-hit districts in the nation, is fighting to make sure that Bernie has lots and lots of friends during his long stay in the pokey.

Kaptur is authoring a bill, H.R. 3995 the “Financial Crisis of 2008 Criminal Investigation and Prosecution Act of 2009,” that gives the FBI 1,000 more agents and forensic experts and tells them to get cracking.

Kaptur remembers the Savings and Loan (S&L) crisis of the late 1980s. In the wake of the S&L crisis, Congress pushed regulators to investigate and prosecute. Congress also provided them with the resources to do the job. A series of strike forces based in 27 cities were staffed with 1,000 FBI agents and dozens of federal prosecutors.

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Background info on major bank reforms

Here’s a good list, background available at Riski on many topics related to the financial reform bill and the state of reform regarding the banks, in general. These are the main pillars inside Dodd’s bill, not all met, but they represent the parts of reform that need addressing. This is just a helpful reference for anyone interested:
 

Bloomberg has released a poll(tx yves) with the headline “Wall Street Despised in Poll Showing Most Want Regulation. It is very interesting to say the least. Some of the highlights:

  • Most people interviewed in the Bloomberg National Poll say they don’t like Wall Street, banks or insurance companies and favor letting the government punish bankers who helped cause the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
  • 57 percent of Americans have a mostly unfavorable or very unfavorable view of Wall Street.
  • Banks are viewed badly by 54 percent of poll respondents.
  • 60 percent have a negative opinion of insurance companies.
  • The majority of poll participants — 56 percent — say big financial companies are more interested in enriching themselves at the expense of ordinary people.

Fairly substantial numbers against the ruling doctrines and institutions of the past thirty years. However, there’ a catch:

  • Almost seven out of 10 people surveyed support using current bank regulators for consumer protection, backing positions held by the financial industry and Republicans over President Barack Obama’s proposal to establish an independent agency.
  • More than 40 percent of Americans say the government has gone too far in measures to fix the financial industry; 37 percent say it hasn’t done enough.
  • “Anything the government gets their fingers in, they mess it up,” said poll participant Norman White, 60, a community college electronics instructor who lives in Colfax, Lousinia. “I don’t have a very high opinion of the government running anything.

What this poll reveals is the great contradiction in American politics. We are at the end of the Reagan Revolution, the great reactionary movement of American politics against the New Deal and “big government.” The heroes and myths of the era, such as Wall Street and “free markets”, lay shattered on the ground. But just as importantly, the distrust of government, not only in this poll, but all polls, is at record levels. Thus, simply mouthing platitudes from 70 years ago or trying to instill faith back in government with massive bills filled with subsidies for mega-corporations isn’t going to get you far.

The poll also shows most Americans don’t like the nation’s top corporate bosses. Almost two-thirds say they have an unfavorable opinion of business executives, a rating that rivals the public’s disdain for Congress, which was viewed with disfavor by 67 percent of respondents.

Having followed this issue for a long time, neither of these numbers are new, however they are historically high. The question of whether large corporations have too much power in this country has been at or above 70% for a couple decades, in fact, the power of giant corporations has always been an issue since their inception a century and half ago. But today, with both parties in the pockets of the mega-corporations, it is never realized as an issue. Nonetheless, this is the sweet spot of American politics at this point, yet one party will insist on helping the corporations and eventually you through more centralized government, while the other will continue their bankrupt philosophy of laissez faire, thus, political advantage to neither.

What we need is to revive and evolve the principles and institutions of this republic, understanding the people are sovereign. We need to revive the imperative of self-government, now lost to history, that if we are to have democracy, it must be decentralized. If we advocate the use of government, we must first revive its legitimacy, and the only way that is going to be done is by bringing the American people back into politics and into the decision making processes of government.

Cross-posted from Archein: The Great Contradiction of American Politics

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cars, google, and china

The county of Los Angeles has ten million people, the most populous in the nation. LA developed with the automobile. Much of the time, it is a transportation nightmare, both so massively inefficient and plain inhuman it boggles the mind. Yet the automobile, barely a century old, remains the ultimate symbol of “freedom” for modern America. At this point, reality couldn’t be further from the truth. The LAT has an good piece on LA transportation and the price of freedom:

Los Angeles marked Transportation Freedom Day last week. What’s that? It’s the day when the typical median-income family has earned enough money to cover transportation costs for the entire year.

Your basic middle-class L.A. household spends about $8,600 a year on gas, insurance, parking and vehicle maintenance, according to the California Public Interest Research Group, a watchdog organization.

That compares with about $8,000 for the average U.S. family and represents more than 20% of most people’s annual expenditures.

Ten weeks of work a year just to pay the oil, automobile, and insurance industries — freedom indeed!  I did a rough calculation, far good enough for energy numbers, an industry whose numbers make Wall Street’s accounting look rigorous, at $3 a gallon, the county of LA sends fifteen billion dollars a year straight out of the local economy simply for the cost of oil. Call it an oil industry tax. In fits and pieces, LA has attempted to do public transit, but the only thing worse than sitting in a car in the middle of LA traffic is sitting on a bus. Mr. Lazarus writes,

My car was in the shop last week, and I rode public transit around town. I don’t mind going by bus or rail — it’s a nice change from playing road warrior. In fact, I’d willingly ride public transportation every day if the system were more user-friendly.

But it’s not. And it’s almost as if the dozens of entities that constitute the region’s public-transit network are conspiring to make the system as unwelcoming as possible.

Now this is an important point, because government has actively subsidized automobile usage in this country for a century. Los Angeles County has 88 local municipal governments to coordinate, making any reasonable transit plan a challenge. But an important question is instead of what would traditionally be the solution of placing power into some over-all central authority, how instead can we get these entities working together in some sort of distributed networked system. Doing so will be a fundamental element of reforming and evolving self-government for the 21st century. Open architecture, open standards and cooperative integration, three elements of the still young internet era can be important components in evolving LA transit.

Which brings us to Google and their fight with China. Now to this point, Google has been co-operating with Chinese censorship, so congrats are not necessarily in order. And as this article points out, it’s as much, if not more, a business decision than any political stand. It’s timing is a little interesting in regards to the brewing trade war. The creation and growth of Google is an amazing story. They’ve used many of the principles of open architecture, open standards and cooperative integration that has made the Net the revolutionary medium it is. But, it also raises serious questions on the control of information and how we evolve our political economy for the 21st century. The questions put forth by the Net are as important to the future of self-government as those posed by industrialization were at the beginning of the 20th century. The forces of self-government were not well matched to the forces of industrialization. We need to do better this time.

Cross-posted from Archein: cars, google, and china

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The Securities and Exchange Commission started because of the Great Depression and failed to prevent the Great Recession (2008-present). They’re supposed to watch over the secondary trading that happens on Wall Street, called securities. They failed to do anything about the accounting fraud at Lehman Brothers, revealed last week. Now, it seems that it may be porn that’s part of the problem.

SEC’s Porn Problem Was Rampant, According To Reports:

Gawker got a hold of documents that detail 16 investigations into employees and contractors who viewed porn a stunning 8,273 times. Amongthe revelations are names of illicit websites accessed at work. According to Gawker’s John Cook, the documents include reports from “one man who said his daily porn viewing at work was limited to ‘no longer than an hour and a half a day.; The man told investigators that his porn habit grew out of looking at photos of men in bathing suits, which is sometimes known as ‘gateway porn.’”

Last week, SEC was in the news because Lehman Brothers got away with some major accounting fraud when they cooked their books for about a year or so before filing for bankruptcy. SEC did nothing:

In the wake of a 2,200-page report on how “misleading” accounting techniques led to Lehman Brothers’ collapse, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman Mary Schapiro would not comment on whether an investigation would commence, but acknowledged that the agency’s oversight of Lehman was “terribly flawed in design and execution.”

“It was inadequately staffed almost from the very beginning. It was a bit insular and stove-piped,” she said.

They failed to do anything to stop Madoff or uncover Madoff:

Christopher Cox, the former chairman of the SEC, has recognized the organization’s own multiple failures in relation to the Bernard Madoff fraud.[18] Starting with an investigation in 1992 into a Madoff feeder fund which only invested with Madoff, and which, according to the SEC, promised “curiously steady” returns, the SEC did not investigate indications that something was amiss in Madoff’s investment firm.[19] The SEC has therefore been accused of missing numerous red flags and ignoring tips on Madoff’s alleged fraud.[20] As a result, Cox has said that an investigation will ensue into “all staff contact and relationships with the Madoff family and firm, and their impact, if any, on decisions by staff regarding the firm.”[21] Approximately 45 per cent of institutional investors felt that better oversight by the SEC could have prevented the Madoff fraud.[22] Financial analyst and whistleblower Harry Markopolos complained to the SEC’s Boston office in May 1999, telling the SEC staff they should investigate Madoff because it was impossible to legally make the profits Madoff claimed using the investment strategies that he claimed to use.

So, porn and Madoff and Lehman, 1.5 hours for porn, 0 hours for Madoff, 0 hours for Lehman. What else?

According to Seeking Alpha, here are the top 5 failings of the SEC under Commission Chairman Chris Cox. Here they admit their problems in the NYTimes:

1. Failure to enforce disclosure laws and regulations.

2. Failure to enforce accounting standards.

3. Failure to supervise the rating agencies.

4. Failure to investigate and prevent market manipulation, i.e., naked short selling.

5. Failure to protect small investors.

If you watch Mary Shapiro, the new commission chair, in front of the Financial Crisis Inquiry you almost believe that they didn’t help the crisis happen and did their utmost to do their job of making sure there is no corporate malfeasance. But, it’s pretty obvious they acted like lame ducks when we weren’t around to start watching them.

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Senator Kaufmans’ speech the other day is certainly the most full and most thoughtful speech/writing coming out of Congress. It was a pleasure to read, I could feel the bats hitting home runs with each paragrah. He has a bright mind and thinks carefully about structural and fundamental change. This speech gets technical, but if there is anything worth referencing that is also comprehensive, this is the speech. Amazing, where has Kaufman been. Now is the time to show him your support. I think we should put this on our policy page.

Senator Kaufman breaks from the silence

Wall Street Reform That Will Prevent The Next Financial Crisis

March 11, 2010

Introduction:  Where the Burden of Proof Lies

Financial regulatory reform is perhaps the most important legislation that the Congress will address for many years to come. Because if we don’t get it right, the consequences of another financial meltdown could truly be devastating.

In the Senate, as we continue to move closer to consideration of a landmark bill, however, we are still far short of addressing some of the fundamental problems – particularly that of “too big to fail” – that caused the last crisis and already have planted the seeds for the next one.  And this is happening after months of careful deliberation and negotiations, and just a year and a half after the virtual meltdown of our entire financial system.

That is why I believe that reorganizing the regulators and giving them additional powers and responsibilities isn’t the answer.  We cannot simply hope that chastened regulators or newly appointed ones will do a better job in the future, even if they try their hardest.  Putting our hopes in a resolution authority is an illusion.  It is like the harbor master in Southampton adding more lifeboats to the Titanic, rather than urging the ship to steer clear of the icebergs.  We need to break up these institutions before they fail, not stand by with a plan waiting to catch them when they do fail.

Without drawing hard lines that reduce size and complexity, large financial institutions will continue to speculate confidently, knowing that they will eventually be funded by the taxpayer if necessary.  As long as we have “too big to fail” institutions, we will continue to go through what Professor Johnson and Peter Boone of the London School of Economics have termed “doomsday” cycles of booms, busts and bailouts, a so-called “doom loop” as Andrew Haldane, who is responsible for financial stability at the Bank of England, describes it.

The notion that the most recent crisis was a “once in a century” event is a fiction.  Former Treasury Secretary Paulson, National Economic Council Chairman Larry Summers, and J.P. Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon all concede that financial crises occur every five years or so.

Without clear and enforceable rules that address the unintended consequences of unchecked financial innovation and which adequately protect investors, our markets will remain subverted.

These solutions are among the cornerstones of fundamental and structural financial reform.  With them we can build a regulatory system that will endure for generations instead of one that will be laid bare by an even bigger crisis in perhaps just a few years or a decade’s time.  We built a lasting regulatory edifice in the midst of the Great Depression, and it lasted for nearly half a century.  I only hope we have both the fortitude and the foresight to do so again.

Thank you, Senator Kaufman, for your clarity, rigor, and service.

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I couldn’t agree more with this editorial from the NYTimes about what needs to get done to put families and small and medium-sized businesses at the seat of economic power and political power over the big banks.

From what we hear, Mr. Dodd had just as hard a time with some of the Democrats on his committee.

What Mr. Dodd needs to do is to introduce the toughest and smartest legislation he can to revamp the financial system and protect American consumers. And he and President Obama need to twist the arms of Democratic committee members to bring the strongest possible bill to the Senate floor.

Their rallying cry couldn’t be any clearer: Whose side are you on? The banks or the American people?

The American people need a bill that strictly regulates all derivatives — the complex, and often speculative instruments that caused so much trouble here and abroad. It must establish a mechanism for downsizing too-big-to-fail banks, and create a credible procedure by which the government can seize and dismantle financial firms that pose a threat to the system. It must instruct regulators to impose safeguards, like higher capital requirements and limits on borrowing, to curtail risk-taking before it runs amok.

And any legislation worth its salt must have at its core a strong Consumer Financial Protection Agency. That agency needs to be an independent body, with broad power to police the financial system for unfair, abusive and otherwise unsound lending in mortgages, credit cards, auto loans and other forms of debt.

Lenders adamantly oppose a new agency, in part because their dodgiest offerings — like subprime mortgages of yesteryear or short-term “payday loans” — are often their most profitable.

So, we also have a layout here of what Dodd’s new bill contains. It makes some steps towards reform, but for the most part you don’t walk away feeling like the economy won’t collapse again and most of the capital in this country won’t be tied up in financial transactions and big banker pockets. Here is a point-by-point dissent/assent run down.

NYTimes lays out the bill, commentary in between:

Among the most recent provisions in the bill to emerge, according to people who have been briefed on the draft, is one that would curb Wall Street’s influence over theFederal Reserve Bank of New York. Its president would be appointed by the president of the United States, not by a board that includes representatives of member banks.

One step closer to being able to democratize, and hold accountable the regulatory system. That’s great. Of course, it’s a small step.

Another rule would ban bank officers from sitting on the New York Fed’s board, meaning that Jamie Dimon, chief executive of JPMorgan Chase, would probably have to leave the board.

Very important to turning oversight measures into ones that are enforced and serve the interest of the country rather than a few bankers.

The legislation would create a consumer protection agency within the Federal Reserve to write rules governing mortgages, credit cards and other financial products, said the people, who insisted on anonymity because the details were still in flux.

Apparently, the mission of this nested CFPA is pretty solid on consumer protection, but the Fed is not democratized or accountable or have done their job. Bad idea.

In a concession to liberals, states’ attorneys general could sue violators of those rules, and the agency would have enforcement powers over large banks, mortgage originators and servicers, and other large lenders.

I learned at the Fordham University “Breaking up the Banks: New Ideas for Limiting Bank Size” conference on Friday, that this is a very good option for watching over the banks. State AG’s, according to Zephyr Teachout, are often political and beholden to the public and often enforce rules when they are overstepped, especially by big corporations.

But in a nod to Republicans, the bill would allow a council of regulators, led by theTreasury, to overturn proposed consumer rules by a two-thirds vote. And although the consumer protection agency would have a director appointed by the president, it would be housed within the Fed, an anathema for consumer advocates.

A council is fine if they are independent and meeting regularly and actually play a role.

The bill would also reshape the regulatory role of the Fed. It would be entrusted for the first time with oversight of all of the largest and most interconnected financial companies, even if they are not banks. And it would continue to oversee the largest bank holding companies, those with $50 billion or more in assets — about 35 companies, includingBank of America, JPMorgan Chase, CitigroupGoldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.

The Fed is rightfully criticized for failing to protect American consumers, but Dodd is not addressing this concern. Bad.

But even as the details were being hammered out Sunday evening, questions remained: can Democrats tap into the vein of populist anger over the excesses of Wall Street and shepherd the bill through, 18 months after the near-collapse of the banking system almost wrecked the economy? And can they avoid getting caught up in the partisan struggle that has held back health-care reform?

We need to organize ourselves on this issue. Only if the public calls for the smart, rigorous solutions are we going to get anything serious out of Congress.

The bill would also reform the sprawling market for over-the-counter derivatives, making derivatives transactions more transparent. But many companies that use derivatives to hedge, or manage, commercial risk would be exempt, a source of consternation for reformers.

It’s not clear that there will be any suffcient amount of transparency. Those proposed to be exempt should not be. We need to reveal the shadow banking market for what it is and make them accountable because we see that they were able to take down the country.

The bill would allow regulators, after a study, to implement elements of a proposalPresident Obama put forward in January. Named for Paul A. Volcker, the former Federal Reserve chairman, it would prohibit deposit-taking banks from investing in or owning hedge funds or private equity funds, and from making trades unrelated to their clients’ interest, a practice known as proprietary trading.

This seems like a political concession to people like us, but it’s likely to not be used often. That’s what non-reformers expect. Bad.

The bill contains no real solution to too-big-to-fail, no real enforcement guarantees, the bad guys are off the hook, the financial system will continue to be as big and dangerous and full of risk taxpayers will likely own. Dodd made a few good steps forward and major steps backwards.

In sum, Elinor Ostrom, first woman Nobel Laureate of political science said, “I did my Ph.D. research years ago. I’m not against government. I’m just against the idea that it’s got to be some bureaucracy that figures everything out for people.” We need to stop the big banks and securities markets from doing whatever they please to make exorbitant amounts of money and steal from our public treasures, we don’t need a big bureacracy to do it. We need smart, transformative proposals that get at the meat of it. It needs to be a partnership between government and the public to hold the banks accountable to society, which means cutting out the waste and the covers and doing the job of making markets be fair.
 

Lehman as Enron 2.0

If you have a society where it becomes foolish not to steal, then only fools don’t steal, and that society has not much of a future. The bankruptcy examiner’s report on Lehman reveals the fraud behind too much that goes for business on Wall Street. The fact is nothing really is new, many of the transactions were exactly what Enron “innovated”, validated by a major accounting firm with the active collusion of Tim Geithner’s NY Fed.

The only question, when is someone going to jail? Begging the question, when is our government going to do something? Of course, when you have a Congress that has been bought and sold five times over, one shouldn’t hold their breath. Talk of financial reform out of the Congress makes health care reform look like Public Citizen good government. How can you have any take on financial reform when you have no idea about what occurred, well if you’re in Congress you let Wall Street write the laws, then you don’t have to know.

The Journal has a good piece on the scam, along with the FT. Yves Smith is on BNN here about Geithner NY Fed’s culpability. And Eliot Spitzer was on Dylan Ratigan here(tx zh):

Ratigan:

This report comes just short of suggesting this is by no means an accident but instead one of the greatest crimes ever perpetrated by a group of people, and enabled by the US government.

Spitzer:

There is no doubt civil cases will be brought. We had a failure of CEO, the CFO, the accountants, and indeed the regulators, the Fed and the Treasury, that were inside these banks, and the question has to be asked: where were they.

The question to the former NY AG, who by the way was the only elected official in this whole damned country taking on the financial industry back when they were all being celebrated as masters of the universe, but the question, what about criminal cases? And remember fellow taxpayers, it’s all your money in the amount of trillions that that has been poured in to paper over the still existing mess, and if we don’t hold our government officials accountable, that pretty much makes us all unindicted co-conspirators to our own looting — Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey.

Cross-posted from Archein: Lehman as Enron 2.0

 

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BOOKS

1)Barry Lynn’s “Cornered: The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction, the most important book on the hidden monopolies in our country and how they impact our democracy.

2)Neil Barofsky’s “Bailout: How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street, the story of the mishandling of the $700 billion TARP bailout fund.

3)Lawrence Goodwyn’s “The Populist Moment: A Short History of the Agrarian Revolt in America,” one of the truly great works of American history and how to build a foundation for 20th century American political economy.

MELTDOWN CAUSES: Articles and Interviews

1. Finger of blame points to shadow banking’s implosion -Financial Times
2. Musings on Structural Challenges to the Financial System -Yves Smith
3. Hedge fund Manager Goodbye -Andrew Lahde
4. The End -Michael Lewis
5. Alan Greenspan and the Fed -William Greider
6. Bill Moyers and Kevin Phillips -video
7. Destructive Rise of Big Finance -Kevin Phillips
8. The Quiet Coup -Simon Johnson


"FINANCIAL INNOVATIONS"

1. Genesis of the Debt Disaster -Financial Times
2. Reforming Credit Default Swaps -Institutional Risk Analyst
3. AIG Bailout -Yves Smith
4. Mark to Model -Yves Smith


WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE BIG BANKS THAT FAIL?

1. Willem Buiter -FT
2. Thomas Hoening -Kansas City Federal Reserve
3. Joseph Stiglitz -Nobel Laureate
4. Nassim Taleb -FT
5. Dan Tarullo -Federal Reserve


ANTITRUST

1. Breaking up the Banks -Zephyr Teachout
2. Too Big to Fail is Too Big -Willem Buiter
3. Vigourous Antitrust -Christine Varney, Asst Atty General of DOJ, AT

REGULATION

1. Regulatory Capture -Thomas Frank
2. Making Regulation Work -Zephyr Taachout, Shawn Bayern

WHAT'S IT MEAN FOR THE ECONOMY?

1. Evolution or Revolution -Bill Gross
2. The Future of the American Dream -William Greider
3. Tom Geoghegan and William Greider on the Economy - audio
4. Andrew Bacevich Interview With Bill Moyers - video

 

 

 

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